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Are Humans as a species making themselves extinct because of medical advances?

Post by Dragonmaster on Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:49 pm

The premise is that Medicine is destroying the genetics of the human race. The problem was described this way. Should people with terminal diseases that are genetically passed on from generation to generation be allowed to live or should they be allowed to die from the disease they have? If they are allowed to live and be cured should they be made sterile regardless of gender so their bad genetics can not be passed on?  

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1. What diseases should be on the list?

2. Is it ethical not to treat these people and let them die naturally?

3. Is it ethical to treat them and sterilize them so they can not pass their bad genes on?

4. Is this an ethical way to eliminate a disease?

5. Is it ethical not to treat a disease after a set age and let them die off naturally?

6. Would this be a fair and just way to being Humans back into balance with nature?  

7. Would this be an ethical way to improve the human gene pool and eliminate bad genes from the gene

     pool?

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Post by Micheal on Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:43 am

Should people who can actually come up with stuff like this be placed where they can make such a decisions?

No.

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Post by VixensVengeance on Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:29 am

uhhh... this is the stupidest concept ever. Medicine is designed to cure disease so eventually all these diseases you talk about will be cured. Duh! so why let the people die. stupid... Rolling Eyes

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Are Humans as a species making themselves extinct because of medical advances?

Post by Dragonmaster on Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:42 pm

You really miss the point.

                 

Single gene genetic inheritance
Single gene inheritance, also called Mendelian or monogenetic inheritance. This type of inheritance is caused by changes or mutations that occur in the DNA sequence of a single gene. There are more than 6,000 known single-gene disorders, which occur in about 1 out of every 200 births. These disorders are known as monogenetic disorders (disorders of a single gene).
Some examples of monogenetic disorders include:

  • cystic fibrosis,
  • sickle cell anemia,
  • Marfan syndrome,
  • Huntington's disease, and
  • hemochromatosis.

Single-gene disorders are inherited in recognizable patterns: autosomal dominant, autosomal recessive, and X-linked.
Multifactorial genetic inheritance
Multifactorial inheritance, which is also called complex or polygenic inheritance. Multifactorial inheritance disorders are caused by a combination of environmental factors and mutations in multiple genes. For example, different genes that influence breast cancer susceptibility have been found on chromosomes 6, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, and 22. Some common chronic diseases are multifactorial disorders.
Examples of multifactorial inheritance include:

  • heart disease,
  • high blood pressure,
  • Alzheimer's disease,
  • arthritis,
  • diabetes,
  • cancer, and
  • obesity.

Chromosome abnormalities
Chromosomes, distinct structures made up of DNA and protein, are located in the nucleus of each cell. Because chromosomes are the carriers of the genetic material, abnormalities in chromosome number or structure can result in disease. Abnormalities in chromosomes typically occur due to a problem with cell division.
For example, Down syndrome (sometimes referred to as "Down's syndrome") or trisomy 21 is a common disorder that occurs when a person has three copies of chromosome 21. There are many other chromosome abnormalities including:

  • Turner syndrome (45,X0),
  • Klinefelter syndrome (47, XXY), and
  • Cri du chat syndrome, or the "cry of the cat" syndrome (46, XX or XY, 5p-).

Diseases may also occur because of chromosomal translocation in which portions of two chromosomes are exchanged.


We do not cure a persons genetics but medicine does control the symptoms. Medicine does not fix DNA.
That means these people are allowed to pass on their defective DNA to another generation.

Why would one want to allow this to happen as it weakens the human gene pool?


None of these DNA defects are cured but passed on to another generation.
To say these diseases are being cured is false.

They are being managed thus allowing the defective DNA to be passed on to another generation.

If the defective DNA died with them and they had no offspring. The defective DNA would be eventually eliminated from the human gene pool.
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Post by VixensVengeance on Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:55 pm

Sure if it died but now we have the capability to give those people better lives and one day we will be able to cure them so I see no dilemma.

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Are Humans as a species making themselves extinct because of medical advances?

Post by Dragonmaster on Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:17 am

Yes, yes Western Medicine knows all. Driven by the almighty dollar and not the care and concern for patients and their welfare. Their is less money to be made from finding a cure for any diseases or illness than their is from pushing drugs that mask or hide the symptoms. Their is no proof that Western Medicine at any time will come up with a cure for any of the diseases I have mentioned.
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Post by VixensVengeance on Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:14 am

There is no proof they will not either. However if these mysterious groups truly have as much control over our lives as you seem to imply they do then they would still never allow these diseaes to die out as they are the source of their power. So once agan I see no dilemma. We have no control so why worry about it?

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Post by Setanaoko on Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:18 am

Isn't this called Eugenics?  Pretty sure the Nazis promoted this, and we all know what happened to them.
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Post by VixensVengeance on Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:39 am

Setanaoko wrote:Isn't this called Eugenics?  Pretty sure the Nazis promoted this, and we all know what happened to them.


Yep! Leaders like Kahn Noonan sing were exiled by being launched into space!

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Post by Dragonmaster on Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:29 pm

Yes it is Eugenics. I suggest you read up on what the Nazis were promoting and doing. No mention here about creating a master race.
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Post by VixensVengeance on Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:26 pm

All have failed before me. I am the mother of the future master race. My offspring will rule this planet.

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Post by Luciana on Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:12 pm

Setanaoko wrote:Isn't this called Eugenics?  Pretty sure the Nazis promoted this, and we all know what happened to them.

The Americans were heavily into eugenics long before Germany picked it up, and they seem to have done all right for themselves Wink

https://books.google.com/books?id=FAB-6RzKAQIC&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false

W. E. B. DuBois, the founder of the NAACP, was a very strong advocate for eugenics in America in 1905 (http://www.jpands.org/vol19no4/singleton.pdf)

In 1933, the Americans began sharing their "science" of eugenics with Germany.

The rest is, well, history.


"You will be interested to know that your work has played a powerful part in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought." -- California eugenicist, C. M. Goethe.

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Re: Are Humans as a species making themselves extinct because of medical advances?

Post by Micheal on Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:03 am

Luciana beat me to the point on that one.

Germans just had their own extremes that we remember and we are not taught about what the US did back then.

Kind of funny to me.  When I went to Germany, a lot of Germans, if you asked them about the Nazi's would tell you that they spend their time trying to forget about them.

Its amazing how much we have forgotten about our own history.

No, western medicine is not the end all beat all... neither is eastern medicine nor indian medicine (be it from india or Native American).

The problem is those who decide it must be one or the other... that any medicine is bad... learn what is useful and what is not for yourself... for this much is true.

What works for one person does not necessarily work for another.

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Are Humans as a species making themselves extinct because of medical advances?

Post by Dragonmaster on Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:27 pm

Countries rewrite history to fashion it to meet the needs of their own political agenda. USA is well known for this.
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Post by Manu on Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:32 am

The "test" I use for these situations is "what if it were one of my children?".

The answer is obvious: I will fight for my child, and to hell with whatever ideal the world has for a more "pure" gene pool.

On principle, I disagree with any actions that involve having a group of people forcing their morality on individuals.

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Re: Are Humans as a species making themselves extinct because of medical advances?

Post by Dragonmaster on Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:53 am

What is the cost to society of the bad gene pool? Why should society allow their bad genes be passed on to others with good genes infecting their genes? This causing harm and grief to future generations of their family. It is little different than spreading AIDS.
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