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RE Micheal ( Mother Earth a living planet Planet )

Post by Dragonmaster on Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:53 am

I do have an answer for you and I have done my research. I will put it together in the next few days as I want to eliminate the crap that is included in the writings, that I have been reading. I Will say that I an not in favor of putting limits on age, or limiting population by race or color or some other inhuman practice. You may not agree with what i come up with but I am not off my rocker or off my medication because I am not on any medications.

Now if you have something that is in keeping with the thread  ( Mother Earth a living planet Planet ) you are welcome to post it. I am an open minded person.
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Post by Micheal on Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:50 pm

The point I made earlier is not that something needs to be done.  I myself am studying the issue in my own reading.

The problem I have is those who pretend to actually care about it could not find their own backsides with both hands.

Where I appreciate the links, they do help me to understand your perception.  If the study does not take into account Amino acids, it drastically leaves out important factors for life on earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid

Simply put, their are amino acids which human beings cannot replicate that can only be found in meat.  (Chicken and Fish being the optimum meats for humans).

They cannot be replaced by plant life.  Most can, but not all.

Without these in the proper amounts people slowly die off.

My greatest analogy is a meme posted on Facebook a while back which shows two women the same age, one is vegan the other a noted chef on Food Network.  They look night and day (with the chef looking much healthier) and it is because of the diet.

Also, anyone who has watched Jurrasic park (the first one) knows the back up plan was to deny lysine to the animals and they would die off.  Note the name of one of the amino acids on this list... and it is scientifically verifiable such does kill.

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Re: Mother Earth a living Planet

Post by VixensVengeance on Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:07 pm

Funny how every source I find says you are just wrong there DM.



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RE Micheal ( Mother Earth a living planet Planet )

Post by Dragonmaster on Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:08 pm

My rebuttal

                   1. I did not say their was anything that should be eliminated from our diet.
                   2. I did not say we should not eat meat any more.
                   3. I did not say beef production should be stopped completely.
                   4. I did not say we had to become veterinarians.
                   5. I did say that we could reduce beef consumption. Reduce does not mean eliminate.    
                   6, I did say I enjoyed beef. I don't eat beef often but I do enjoy it.
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RE VixensVengeance ( Mother Earth a living planet Planet )

Post by Dragonmaster on Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:13 pm

I noticed your pie chart does not include agriculture ( methane from live stock production ).
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Re: Mother Earth a living Planet

Post by Grey on Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:51 pm

VixensVengeance wrote:At least he kept his inane spamming to one thread. Tell me DM why do you and mortox feel that you deserve others to respond to your posts with open and honest dialogue if you are not willing to return the favor? Someone replies to you and you respond with "well I would tell you but you need to figure it out" or "I am not going to share that". It's bullshit self aggandizing and you will get nowhere with it.
What is your issue with me, VV?

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Re: Mother Earth a living Planet

Post by VixensVengeance on Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:38 pm

Dragonmaster wrote:I noticed your pie chart does not include agriculture ( methane from live stock production ).


Animal waste. Its there.

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Post by Dragonmaster on Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:50 am

A widely cited 2006 report by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, Livestock's Long Shadow, estimates that 18 percent of annual worldwide GHG emissions are attributable to cattle, buffalo, sheep, goats, camels, pigs, and poultry. But recent analysis by Goodland and Anhang finds that livestock and their byproducts actually account for at least 32.6 billion tons of carbon dioxide per year, or 51 percent of annual worldwide GHG emissions.


 http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6294


Methane. According to the FAO, 37 percent induced methane come s from live stock

http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf

Now If we chose to believe all this then your pie chart is inaccurate.
  More importantly live stock produce 51% of the GHG world wide.
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Re: Mother Earth a living Planet

Post by Micheal on Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:53 am

That is the problem though isn't it?  Belief.

You are spouting numbers acting like 32.6 billion is a terrible number, and yet volcanoes which are dormant release up to 200 billion a year:

https://www.livescience.com/40451-volcanic-co2-levels-are-staggering.html

So you can dabble in your pin pricks all you want, you will be the most self righteous dude during our next Pompei.

That does not mean once again that nothing should be done... it means that if not everyone is buying it, its not gonna happen anyways.
I mean everyone has watched Superman.  We all know why Krypton died... not because the sun went supernova... but because the people refused to believe it was going to.

It makes it harder when the people wishing you to believe such have been shoveling manure for decades and wonder why no one believes them.

As long as the solution is, "So give government the power and we will fix it".  Its dead.

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Re: Mother Earth a living Planet

Post by VixensVengeance on Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:06 am

Mortox wrote:
VixensVengeance wrote:At least he kept his inane spamming to one thread. Tell me DM why do you and mortox feel that you deserve others to respond to your posts with open and honest dialogue if you are not willing to return the favor? Someone replies to you and you respond with "well I would tell you but you need to figure it out" or "I am not going to share that". It's bullshit self aggandizing and you will get nowhere with it.
What is your issue with me, VV?

I dont recall saying I had an issue with you?

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Re: Mother Earth a living Planet

Post by VixensVengeance on Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:16 am

Dragonmaster wrote:
Methane. According to the FAO, 37 percent induced methane come s from live stock

Now If we chose to believe all this then your pie chart is inaccurate.
  More importantly live stock produce 51% of the GHG world wide.

No my pie chart is actually more accurate. In the first place this statement is a far cry from your original statement that cows produce 95% of the methane and each one produces 50 gallons a day. So which is it? Why do your numbers keep dramatically fluctuating? Do you have any clue what you are talking about or how to read a statistic? Micheal is right, you are picking things out of context and in some cases just citing incorrect data.

In fact cows produce that much methane a year not a day and if your reading junk science sites like cowspiracy they twist the science and try to get us to believe that thousands of scientists have covered up the truth about the most important environmental issues of our time. Your charts are slanted because they take into account only living sources while mine takes into account ALL sources of methane. This is where your incorrect stats come from, the idea that they dont tell you the base of their data set.

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Post by Dragonmaster on Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:58 am

                When it comes down to it, we are in a global warming cycle and an increasing population that is said to double by 2074. Sometime  this century we will reach the point where food production will fall short of human needs. Now is it possible for us to agree on that much?

I have my reservations when it comes to present day world governments solving any problem as they will always put national interests before global interests.

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Re: Mother Earth a living Planet

Post by Micheal on Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:39 am

Rolling Eyes
As with Tertullian in the second century CE who stated:  "What most frequently meets our view (and occasions complaint) is our teeming population. Our numbers are burdensome to the world, which can hardly support us.... In very deed, pestilence, and famine, and wars, and earthquakes have to be regarded as a remedy for nations, as the means of pruning the luxuriance of the human race."
World population 190 million estimated.

As with Thomas Robert Malthus and his 1798 book titled "An Essay on the principle of Population" where he observed: that an increase in a nation's food production improved the well-being of the populace, but the improvement was temporary because it led to population growth, which in turn restored the original per capita production level. In other words, mankind had a propensity to utilize abundance for population growth rather than for maintaining a high standard of living, a view that has become known as the "Malthusian trap" or the "Malthusian spectre".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_trap

So instead of looking that the UN itself states, that the world population will grow until 2050 then stagnate until 2300, and only in third world countries... so you could starve the entire population of the US and those people would still come about and still have the issues they have:

https://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/popnews/Newsltr_87.pdf

We are going to rely on yet another hairbrain idea that we are going to run out of food... again.  No, I do not agree with you at all.


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Post by VixensVengeance on Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:06 am

No I dont agree either. People are starving to death now and that is in the face of the ability to produce enough food for them all. Its not in production but in distribution that the issue arises. Besides that, it is actually the ability to sustain a population that allows it to grow, so if food becomes an issue that is a natural deterrent to growth. In that case the population will either decrease naturally or we will be forced off the planet to colonize other places. How do you see these as bad things?

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Post by Dragonmaster on Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:23 pm

We have the right to disagree and I may be wrong. I may not live long enough to find out. I do not believe that Governments around the world will do enough to resolve the issues that brought on global warming. I believe that governments choose to do avoid resolving  major problems unless forced to do so and the London Fog of 1952 is a prime example.


Britians government was keen to play down the scale of the disaster and the ministry of health released figures purporting to show the death toll was much lower than it really was.
In the Commons, the minister for housing, Harold Macmillan, future Tory prime minister, tried to blame the weather for the disaster, and emphasized that pollution was a necessary evil.
When the Opposition benches attacked the government for not doing more to cut down on pollution, he replied: ‘We do what we can, but of course, the honorable gentleman must realize the enormous number of broad economic considerations which have to be taken into account and which it would be foolish altogether to disregard.’
There were smogs again, but never so bad. A campaign by backbench MPs forced the introduction of the Clean Air Act in 1956. It enforced the use of smokeless fuels in homes, and ordered the relocation of power stations further from cities.



I would not be surprised that today's governments are doing the same thing with climate change and green house gasses. Kicking the can down the road and trying to deny the severity of the problem and refuse to act in a progressive manor, until we have an event that causes world wide turmoil that forces governments to react to the problem in an appropriate manor that is fitting for the servility of the problem.


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Post by Micheal on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:18 am

And then you read an article like this:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/sullivan-things-are-better-than-ever-why-are-we-miserable.html

And know what you are siting is media/government nonsense designed to keep you at your wits end and miserable so you are more likely to give them the ability to fix what you see as broke.

We are in fact categorically defeating many of those enemies that the media claims are being  more of a problem.  The fact that no one knows about it is more due to what people wish to educate themselves about.

Get Pinkers book, Andrew is right that he is not very animated but he is spot on.

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Post by VixensVengeance on Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:37 am

If what your unfairly suggesting in the idea there was some govt conspiracy to kill people with smog had even an ounce of validity London would still be suffering from this today. But it is not, your argument is invalidated.

Besides that, there is no also no global governmental conspiracy to suppress the evidence of global warming. Where do you even get this stuff?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement


As for our nation it is not the nation as a whole that denies global warming but a single party, the republicans. And they dont suppress it because of conspiracy but because of tribalism. And even that is slowly changing. So I see no validity to any of your arguments.


http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/why-do-most-american-conservatives-still-refuse-to-believe-in-climate-change

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Post by Micheal on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:00 am

The fact of the matter is that man tends to destroy more then he helps.

No one denies that many of the things that we do are harmful.  Every time we nourish our bodies, something had to die to do that.  You simply cannot get around that.

Problem is that the solutions provided tend to be equally as harmful.  If not moreso.  We talk about being smart... but really the problem is what we do not know.

Hence why it is only smart to proceed with caution and not irrationally.  Baby steps.

As a conservative, I believe in climate change.  I just disagree that anyone knows how to actually deal with it BECAUSE we tend to mess up more then we clean up.

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Post by VixensVengeance on Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:43 am

Very true. Sometimes action does more damage than no action. Its of paramount importance that we know the exact problem, and the best solution to the problem before we commit to action and even then we also need to be acutely aware of ALL potential consequences of those actions. This is not a simple problem and it does not have a simple answer.

Yea stop eating cows, that will fix it. NOT! Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Dragonmaster on Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:02 am

Perhaps you should learn the difference between deny and conspiracy.  



  • deny



    verb  denies, denying, denied



    • 1 with object State that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of.
    • 1.1  ‘both firms deny any responsibility for the tragedy’1.Refuse to admit the truth of (a concept or proposition that is supported by the majority of scientific or historical evidence)


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  • ‘an anti-environmentalist campaign group that denies climate change’





[*]2with two objects Refuse to give (something requested or desired) to (someone)
‘the inquiry was denied access to intelligence sources’

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conspiracy


noun Plural conspiracies



  • 1A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
    ‘a conspiracy to destroy the government’

1.1mass noun The action of plotting or conspiring.
‘they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice’
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Post by VixensVengeance on Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:07 am

Thanks DM!  (DictionaryMaster) Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post by Micheal on Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:27 pm

And the hits just keep on coming:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/should-we-chill-out-about-global-warming/

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Post by VixensVengeance on Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:37 pm

Looks like neither conspiracy nor denial but... dare I say it... PROGRESS!

Only uninformed minds hide in the dark mewling about the shadows they perceive are out to get them and swipe in fear at vacuous ghosts that are not really there.

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Post by Dragonmaster on Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:07 pm

I believe that Political parties and elected officials that belong to them are more interested in doing what it takes to maintain the reigns of power and the party not in power is more interested in what it takes to be in power. Is is entirely possible that neither the party in power or the party that is not in power will not do what is in the best interest of the people that they represent as it is more important to maintain their elected office, than to do what is best for the people even thou they are all elected at the bequest of the people..

My politics has been mentioned several times. I do not have any politics as you would recognize it. I do not belong to any political party or any activist groups of any kind. I vote according to what I think a political party is offering me or perhaps not offering me when an election is going on. I just vote according to who I think will do me the least harm financially or vote strategically to keep some one from being elected.

I believe global warming should be and can be reversed. I believe that our best scientist from around the world should be tasked with coming up with a plan for this. All countries should be held accountable and implement the plan.  Scientists should be monitoring the results over many decades to ensure the plan is working
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Post by VixensVengeance on Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:34 pm

Who did you vote for in the last election?

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